I KNOW slaughter is bad. Do you think slaughter is a "necessary evil"?

It is true that their are unwanted horses, but the bill that is trying to ban slaughter, guarantees ALL the slaughter-bound horses HOMES when the slaughterhouses close. If people actually read about the bill they would've known that.

So it's a win-win situation for the horses if the bill is passed. I also found out that it's a MYTH that abuse/neglect will increase with slaughterhouses that close. Actually abuse and neglect has increased with slaughterhouses OPEN, because people want to make money so they STEAL horses and send them to slaughter. It's really sad. People say that abuse and neglect will increase when slaughterhouses close, but that isn't true. There's a statistic I read about, but I can't remember what it was.

Others say that if horse slaughter closes, shouldn't cow slaughter close too? WELL, I didn't see Paul Revere riding a COW into town, and HELLO? Hasn't anyone heard of the PONY EXPRESS? We owe the horses something because they have provided us with transportation, they have plowed our fields, they have shown us compassion and love, they have provided us with companionship, they mailed our letters! and they helped us to win battle. Where would we be without them? Should we kill the horses that helped America become the wonderful place that it is today? Horses deserve more than this:



Other people say that they eat horse meat because it is healthier than beef- well I heard human flesh is pretty healthy too but you don't see me eating it.

Some people are for "humane- horse slaughter" and there's no such thing. Humane means- characterized by tenderness, compassion; sympathy for humans and animals. Slaughter means- killing or butchering; murder. How can that be possible? Humane-slaughter. Doesn't make sense. There shouldn't be any slaughtering of our horses.

So what do you think? Are you against slaughter?

Lve Horses. Don't Slaughter Them.

 

(Me and Legacy R.I.P.)  

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GREAT POINT!! Really nice. I like it! Amazing post, thanks for sharing!

End slaughter!

That is a really good post!

Point made

Legacy love your posts you make good points!!

The pictures help the anti case too!

Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself. You know pro-slaughters think that most Anti's are just all about saving the horses and they think we don't know the facts and that we don't think about the future (after slaughterhouses close). You proved those pro-slaughters wrong! There are lots of facts to the anti-slaughters case. You did a really good job....your posts never disappoint me!

OMG! Love these kinds of threads! Yes, yes slaughter IS evil, but it's not a necessity. Did pro-slaughters REALLY think that we were just going to ban slaughter and not think about what was going to happen next? Honestly, some pros just think we are a bunch of idiots. OF COURSE we are going to think about the next step, we aren't just going to end slaughter then watch the "leftovers" starve. What would that point be? Wow, some pros really need to think a little bit!

I did hear that it's a myth that abuse and neglect will increase.

If any pro is reading this, they should read this:

If horses aren't slaughtered, where will all the unwanted horses go?
The annual number of horses slaughtered in the US dropped from over 300,000 in the 1990s to less than 50,000 in 2003, with no special infrastructure needed to absorb the thousands of "unwanted" horses that were not slaughtered. Horses are being kept longer, sold to others, humanely euthanized, or donated to retirement and rescue facilities. The "surplus horse population" is a myth.

Won't banning horse slaughter mean more cases of horse abuse and neglect?
No. In fact, both the Hooved Animal Humane Society (HAHS) and the Illinois Department of Agriculture reported that following the burning of the only slaughter plant in the region, abuse cases quit rising and went down between 2002 and 2003. California banned horse slaughter in 1998, since that time horse theft has dropped 34% and cruelty reports have not increased (Dr. Carolyn Stull). Texas, which had the only two slaughter plants in 2003, had among the nations highest rates of cruelty and theft. The conclusion is clear, slaughter causes abuse and theft!

No pro can look at me with a straight face and say that the last sentence isn't clear. They abuse horses in slaughterhouses and people do steal horses to send to slaughter, just to make a few bucks.

Thanks for bringing this up, I LOVE slaughter threads LOL! So much fun!

Great posts!

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Standardbred wrote : OMG! Love these kinds of threads! Yes, yes slaughter IS evil, but it's not a necessity. Did pro-slaughters REALLY think that we were just going to ban slaughter and not think about what was going to happen next? Honestly, some pros just think we are a bunch of idiots. OF COURSE we are going to think about the next step, we aren't just going to end slaughter then watch the "leftovers" starve. What would that point be? Wow, some pros really need to think a little bit! I did hear that it's a myth that abuse and neglect will increase. If any pro is reading this, they should read this: If horses aren't slaughtered, where will all the unwanted horses go? The annual number of horses slaughtered in the US dropped from over 300,000 in the 1990s to less than 50,000 in 2003, with no special infrastructure needed to absorb the thousands of "unwanted" horses that were not slaughtered. Horses are being kept longer, sold to others, humanely euthanized, or donated to retirement and rescue facilities. The "surplus horse population" is a myth. Won't banning horse slaughter mean more cases of horse abuse and neglect? No. In fact, both the Hooved Animal Humane Society (HAHS) and the Illinois Department of Agriculture reported that following the burning of the only slaughter plant in the region, abuse cases quit rising and went down between 2002 and 2003. California banned horse slaughter in 1998, since that time horse theft has dropped 34% and cruelty reports have not increased (Dr. Carolyn Stull). Texas, which had the only two slaughter plants in 2003, had among the nations highest rates of cruelty and theft. The conclusion is clear, slaughter causes abuse and theft! No pro can look at me with a straight face and say that the last sentence isn't clear. They abuse horses in slaughterhouses and people do steal horses to send to slaughter, just to make a few bucks. Thanks for bringing this up, I LOVE slaughter threads LOL! So much fun! Great posts!

I know really! Did they actually think we were just going to let horses starve? That would like completely miss the purpose. Yes some animals out there are starving. No stopping slaughter won't change that starving animals number.

Did you know that some pros think that horses should be sent to slaughter rather than euthanasia?? Can you say SICK PEOPLE?

I found these videos on HORSE KILLERS.COM I recommend seeing the slaughter video if you can handle it JK! It's really graphic and to think, some ppl actually WISH this upon our horses? You can watch the humanely euthanizing video. It's really calm, and not graphic at all. After watching both videos, which one do YOU think we should put the horses through?

If you watch ANY videos you should watch the one where the horse tries to dodge the bolt gun. That is #1 in the third section. I believe the sentence that goes along with the video is: Clearly aware of the peril she faces, this horse repeatedly attempts to avoid the captive bolt gun.

For People who think that it makes them "brain dead" obviously this horse is smart enough to recognize PAIN and to recognize the source. So obviously she's NOT BRAIN DEAD!

Here is the link to the videos: http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000528

Sorry I get a little into slaughter threads! I am just glad there are people that understand the horror these horses go through. I mean some people are just like "Well, since it's not my horse getting murdered, why should I care?" And that's how lots of pros are.

Thanks for making this thread

Heard about the slaughter thread!

Agree completely...

You make some excellent points, but have you heard the one that says "eating horses is traditional?" Well, horse fighting is also traditional, it's been going on for more than 500 years...that doesn't mean we should keep it around, just because some people think it's "traditional". The U.S. doesn't eat horses, so we shouldn't even be involved in the horse slaughter industry.

People say "Send the homeless horses to slaughter so they have somewhere to go". Well, we have homeless people in the human world. Would we just send those homeless people to die?

"Hey you, little boy! There's too many homeless people like you in this world. Your an orphan and homeless. The orphanages are full, and we aren't going to bother giving you another chance. Here, I will give you a lift to the slaughterhouse
!"
No person would ever say this, and yet foals and yearlings are being slaughtered everyday. Does that make sense? Just because there are too many, means we should slowly butcher them to bits? .....That's logical    

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I feel bad for the horses.

People don't care. They aren't the ones getting slaughtered and their horses aren't getting slaughtered so why should they care? If THEIR personal horses were getting slaughtered like this, I think they would speak up.

Killing them isn't going to bring the population down.

I heard they are killing MUSTANGS now too! Because the pro-slaughter politician said (and I quote) "Why not slaughter them too?" LIKE HE CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HORSES!! IF IT'S MAKING HIM MONEY, HE'D SLAUGHTER ALL THE HORSES!!

Whoops, sorry lost my cool...it's back. LOL!

I just cant bare to watch the horses that get slaughtered. The circle of life? Ugh...don't even get me started with that lol! That came up in a slaughter thread from a while ago, not fun!

Keep the posts comin!

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LemonIce wrote :I heard they are killing MUSTANGS now too!

THEY ARE GONNA DO WHAT??    

What has the world come too? Soon they are going to be slaughter cats... and dogs...that squirrel in my backyard...

See pro slaughters don't read the anti slaughter bills....If they actually READ the bills, then maybe they wouldn't be pro-slaughter anymore!!

Here's what it says DIRECTLY in the bill stating what will happen to the confiscated horses.

(c) PLACEMENT OF CONFISCATED HORSES-

(1) TEMPORARY PLACEMENT- After confiscation of a live horse pursuant to this Act, an arresting authority shall work with animal welfare societies and animal control departments--

(A) to ensure the temporary placement of the horse with an animal rescue facility that is an organization described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is exempt from taxation under section 501(a) of that Code, while the person charged with violating this Act is prosecuted; or

(B) if placement at such a facility is not practicable, to temporarily place the horse with--

(i) a facility that has as its primary purpose the humane treatment of animals; or

(ii) another suitable location, as determined by the Secretary or arresting authority.


DUHHHHH....Is it really that hard to read?

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Mustang wrote : What has the world come too? Soon they are going to be slaughtering cats... and dogs...that squirrel in my backyard...

LOL!

OMG! That is halarious!! I just started crackin up!!!  

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Yeah I heard about that mustang murder a while ago.

Mustang- are you even supposed to post on these threads? Mr. Moderator! lol! Don't try and get involved in these discussions!

Sorry, couldn't help myself...when it has to do with my mustangs....

I'll stay out lol!

Wait, this thread was started by a moderator?? Is that allowed?

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Standardbred wrote : Wait, this thread was started by a moderator?? Is that allowed?

Yeah. Legacy always makes good posts.

I don't agree with what LemonIce said..."Killing horses doesn't lower the population." Over 3 million horses have been butchered. Sure, there are always going to be unwanted horses out there, but slaughter really does have an impact on the horse population.

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I don't agree with what LemonIce said..."Killing horses doesn't lower the population." Over 3 million horses have been butchered. Sure, there are always going to be unwanted horses out there, but slaughter really does have an impact on the horse population.

Yeah that was a pretty bad sentence for a slaughter topic. Slaughter does reduce the population, BUT there are alternatives. No horse should have this done to them, just because there are "too many". That isn't fair them.

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WelshGurl wrote : Quote : I don't agree with what LemonIce said..."Killing horses doesn't lower the population." Over 3 million horses have been butchered. Sure, there are always going to be unwanted horses out there, but slaughter really does have an impact on the horse population. Yeah that was a pretty bad sentence for a slaughter topic. Slaughter does reduce the population, BUT there are alternatives. No horse should have this done to them, just because there are "too many". That isn't fair them.

Yeah sorry, I think I worded that wrong. I didn't mean it like that. I meant like slaughter isn't the answer.

Thanks for correctin g me!!

Slaughter isn't the answer, there are alternatives, if people would realize that. I agree with lots of posts here!!! Thanks for posting guys, everyone made nice points! If any1 has any slaughter petitions, can u post it here?

Thanks, i really want to sign one, but none have come my way! lemme know if anyone has any petitions!!